What's the real truth on psychedelics and MDMA?

[Roll Hard]

I constantly hear two sides, one camp seems to think these things are relatively harmless while the other say they're not. On here most of the people are in the first camp.

I ready a 400 page book on ecstasy and what I got from it that occasional use is not bad and there are potential benefits.

I've been listening to old love line episodes and Dr Drew says a lot of bad things about psychedelics/mdma, and it's hard to think that these things can't be damaging considering the effect they give off. And while dr drew sees worse case scenarios, he's a pretty educated doctor and isn't saying these things out of his ass.

I'm wondering this because I'm thinking of taking shrooms and MDMA and hopefully succumb to some spiritual life direction.

Shrooms is definitely life changing, but can you honestly but I can't honestly say that it's improved my life dramatically in the long run. I can't even consciously remember what i experienced but I know it was deep.

Someone give me documents

[vinimach]

definitely listen to dr. drew. he's on tv. plus, it's not like he's making money off of it... we must win the war on drugs, and if you use any mind-altering substances you're supporting terrorists.

[KevPP]

Ya Dr. Drew seems to know his shit.. But he is very one sided in his views on drugs. Which I can see why, as he is around people who suck at doing them all the fucking time.

[KevPP]

what kind of documents are you looking for? Have you checked out erowid?

Documents from the DEA Scheduling Hearing of MDMA, 1984-1988

[Mahwahs55]

Who cares what Doctor Jew has to say? I bet hes never touched a drug in his life.
Being a doctor doesnt make him right. By that logic Dr.Phil is a fucking genius.

[mikeproteau]

http://www.erowid.org

Due


The reason there are so many opinions is because both mdma and acid both have the potential for being rip-offs, you gotta make sure you get the purest, cleanest stuff out there. I don't know why people recomend doing mushrooms before acid, this is just stupid, mushrooms make you feel sick, acid gives you this nice pleasurable feeling simaler to mdma with hallucinations that you can turn on and off with you mind, if it gets to intense, it's not to hard to just think your way out of it, with mushrooms you have a bad trip and your fucked. fuck mushrooms.

[stoned ape]

mdma is not that bad.

shrooms are freakin wonderful.


if you have an addictive or psychotic aspect to your personality, it's best to stay away from all psychoactives.

mdma taken in it's regular 'dose' is usually a bit of an overdose IMHO.. 'rolling' is feeling the overload of chemicals being squeezed out all over your brain and afterwards, you are depleted of those chemicals (the harsh come-down), and that's not pleasant or particularly healthy for your brain... but if you take smaller amounts, or be sure to take brain supplements like HTP afterwards, it will probably be relatively harmless.

the real problem is when people pop em for days-on-end weekend after weekend.. mixing with other drugs, losing their shit, etc. denying your brain rest and equilibrium for extended periods of time.. sometimes people seem to become a little retarded and i think that's probably what dr. drew has seen a lot of.

but whatever, always be careful. know your body. know your mind. know your drug.

[JIVAKIND]

do all the mushrooms you want... be VERY careful with MDMA,MDA and the like...
they fucked me hard for a long time....


im down to pot,weed,mushrooms and the occasional line of puro(coke)....
take it from a anti-social middle aged man.... stick to the organics and youll be fine...

[Snap]

Where is the acid love? All you fucks are boomer freaks but once you drop cid, you'll never want to touch that fungus again.

Anyways here OP all the shit you need to know about MDMA. I won't post specific things for you but this literally has everything you could want to know.

http://forum.grasscity.com/pandoras-...nners-etc.html

[MikeG]

you do pot and weed? you need to go to rehab mate

[Snap]

Originally Posted by mikeproteau

http://www.erowid.org

Due


The reason there are so many opinions is because both mdma and acid both have the potential for being rip-offs, you gotta make sure you get the purest, cleanest stuff out there. I don't know why people recomend doing mushrooms before acid, this is just stupid, mushrooms make you feel sick, acid gives you this nice pleasurable feeling simaler to mdma with hallucinations that you can turn on and off with you mind, if it gets to intense, it's not to hard to just think your way out of it, with mushrooms you have a bad trip and your fucked. fuck mushrooms.

oh my god thank you

[Montrealmlr]

Without getting into a scientific discussion about it....

I've done a lot of drugs in my life and i'm also naturally curious person so i've read a fair bit on the topic (although nothing close to some people on this board).

My conclusion is that psychedelics are not dangerous unless you have a history of mental illness in the family or any kind of propensity for any kind of psychosis.

Worst case scenario: Schizophrenia.

MDMA does do long term damage but kept to moderate use it won't even be noticeable. Don't do it too often or too much in one night and you'll be fine. If you're doing it 10+ times a year, you're not moderate. If you do 3+ pills a night, it's no longer moderate.

Worst case scenario: on and off clinical depression and the handicap of being emotionally unstable.

[AIDSINFESTEDPENISBURGER]

Originally Posted by mikeproteau

if it gets to intense, it's not to hard to just think your way out of it, with mushrooms you have a bad trip and your fucked. fuck mushrooms.

I feel the exact same, but in reverse. I think I can control fungus better. It obviously depends on amount, and potency.

That said, I don't discriminate. Iz eat all that shit. Iz love all that shit. Haven't done pills in a long time. I plan to keep it that way too. Bein as I was a lush for em all through high school.

I remember eating a triple stack omega, and laying on a giant bean bag with three of the hottest bitches I've ever known. Sweaty hands, wet pussy, and a whole lotta weed. Not 100%, but I'm pretty sure that what heaven is like.

[HungryEskimoBoy]

Originally Posted by Snap

Where is the acid love? All you fucks are boomer freaks but once you drop cid, you'll never want to touch that fungus again.
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I dunno bout that mate. First off, at least with shrooms you know your eating psilocybin (as long as they're psilocybin shrooms). With LSD you have no idea
A) what your getting ( could be some compound similar to LSD)
B) How large the dose is (I had a friend take three hits only to find out they were doubles)
C) And most importantly, how experienced the chemist is

From my personal observations, the people who dropped a lot of acid seem to turn out way weirder than the people who have eaten a lot of booms. Just my personal observation.

[NosLaser]

I have never tried LSD or MDMA and don't think I will either, but not because of scare tactics, but rather my own personal research/opinions of those who have tried it.

I remember Joe reporting the time he tried MDMA and enjoyed it, but the day after he felt as though his brain was dehydrated; almost as if you could "feel" the short term damage it did.

Aside from that, I know mushrooms really well, but you never know where your LSD or MDMA came from, what's in it, how much is in the dose, etc. That is one of the major things that keeps me away.

Hypocritically converse however, I would try DMT.

[NosLaser]

Since we are in a psychedelics thread and this pic doesn't require it's own thread, this would make a coool avatar for someone:

[Zchgla]

Originally Posted by NosLaser

Aside from that, I know mushrooms really well, but you never know where your LSD or MDMA came from, what's in it, how much is in the dose, etc.

How familiar are you really with Mycology and Psilocybe cubensis?

Can you really tell the difference?

Also, what could go wrong with a supposed hit of acid? Have you personally heard any horror stories?

[MedullaOblongat]

Originally Posted by Roll Hard

I constantly hear two sides, one camp seems to think these things are relatively harmless while the other say they're not. On here most of the people are in the first camp.

I ready a 400 page book on ecstasy and what I got from it that occasional use is not bad and there are potential benefits.

I've been listening to old love line episodes and Dr Drew says a lot of bad things about psychedelics/mdma, and it's hard to think that these things can't be damaging considering the effect they give off. And while dr drew sees worse case scenarios, he's a pretty educated doctor and isn't saying these things out of his ass.

I'm wondering this because I'm thinking of taking shrooms and MDMA and hopefully succumb to some spiritual life direction.

Shrooms is definitely life changing, but can you honestly but I can't honestly say that it's improved my life dramatically in the long run. I can't even consciously remember what i experienced but I know it was deep.

Someone give me documents

The problem with "Dr. Drew", like most M.D.s, is that they peddle drugs for big pharma and have a rather obvious bias against anything that threatens the idea that there are other substances worthwhile for exploring the mind/body continuum.

[gdmh]

Originally Posted by Zchgla

Also, what could go wrong with a supposed hit of acid? Have you personally heard any horror stories?

My long time best friends cousin, has been able to get ahold of some of the best lsd I've ever eaten. At the same time he's says hes done his fair share of acid, and because of that he has had two horrible trips by bad acid.

He was saying one of the bad trips, was probably just a bad trip. On the other one he said he probably got a hold of a research chemical (RC) that fucked his world up.

He said he had a 16-22 hours 'trip', and was up for 12 hours after that. He stated that during the trip, he was confused, felt really bad physically, and just had a very unpleasant time.

And to continue this discussion on the truths of these substances: As long as they are done no more than 2 times a year, under good supervision (i.e. a sober trip sitter) and good environment they are one of the key tools to help understand ones consciousness and reality.

The many heavy lsd experiences I've had, are and will still be some of the most important experiences I've had in my life, thus far.

[Frizzle Fry]

Originally Posted by MedullaOblongat

The problem with "Dr. Drew", like most M.D.s, is that they peddle drugs for big pharma and have a rather obvious bias against anything that threatens the idea that there are other substances worthwhile for exploring the mind/body continuum.

continuum, you say?